类型: IC
作者: Dubsgalore
发布时间: 2013-09-30
22:00:25
更新时间: 2014-01-24 20:05:26
原链接:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49175.0
Just an interest check
Imagine CMYK, but with white
legends, to fit Dolch, White on Black, and Handarbeit (all
upcoming and soon available sets)
so…CMYW
(lovely photo credits go to Dianoda)
Let me
explain, i just want a place for others to express interest
or desire, not trying to claim any original ideas or
anything
———————————————————————————————DT———————————————————————————————
“With
some help from Ivan, This is very quickly now moving to the
GB stage.
The Idea is to take the popular CMYK set and
give it white legends. This would much better match Dolch
sets and White on Black sets. additionally, it will match
the new Dolch and upcoming handarbeit sets sold over at
Originative.
Geekhack original IC:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49175.msg1060593/#msg1060593
There have been some questions and concerns about the
qualities of the set, most can be found in the gh thread,
but I’ll go over the big ones here. The first concern that
came up was:..
The Yellow
As you
can see in the mockup kindly provided by Sifo (with original
photo by Dianoda), The contrast is quite high and
unpleasant. While it’s the same yellow used in CMYK, some
people were wondering about using GMK’s mustard
yellow..which is a little darker and in my opinion not as
fitting.
Photo of similar white on mustard -thanks Ivan
The final and unofficial consensus on Geekhack was
and is to bite the bullet and go with the original and
brighter yellow. I agree here, I think the contrast won’t be
terrible, and it won’t be as bad as a full set, it’s just
two caps.
Do you agree with using the original, brighter yellow,
with the running risk of bad contrast?
The Legends
Now this is pretty
much decided already but I want more opinions and thoughts.
We are going to stray from the original set here. The shift
arrows in the original set were that of ISO taste, they were
just the arrows. With CMYW, we will go ahead with more
classic Ansi Taste legends. with the arrow and ‘shift’
legends. that way, it won’t look out of place with the
classic ansi sets and the with the new originative sets as
well. reasoning and thoughts are
here
and
here. Now I realize that might not be as popular with more ISO
users here, so that leads me to a question…should I provide
1x 2.75 shift in ansi legends, AND 1x2.75 in ISO legends?
meaning, one (with just the arrow) to match the 1.25 shift
(with just the arrow) for ISO users, and one (with arrow and
‘shift’) to match the 2.25 shift (with arrow and ‘shift’)
for ANSI users? I think it would be better for all users,
but add to cost. Please tell me your thoughts. the concern
about ‘Alt Gr’ and whether or not to include it is discussed
in the next section despite being a legend problem.
Do you agree with me about using all ANSI Legends (except
for 1.25 shift)? Should there be a 2.75 shift using ISO
shift legends to match the 1.25 iso shift?
A Profile and B Profile
With
the original CMYK set, It was all B. B profile (i.e. the
shift row or ‘bottom row’) is used for bottom row and the
spacebar row on more recent cherries, and is what Sherry is
doing with his Originative sets as well. Boards before 1996,
Before 1.25 and windows keys were introduced, had used A
Profile for the Spacebar Row, which is a bit taller then B
Profile (11.15 mm versus 7.40 mm). Photo
here - thanks Photekq (and credit to Litster). Now, whether or not to include 1.5 caps in A Profile.
They are just 4 more caps (or 6 if Alt Gr if is included),
so that will add to cost. If we are adding them, then
doubling the amount of each shift is ideal, giving the set
the ability to fit two keyboards (1.5 A /shifts & 1.5 B
/ shifts) being used at one time. This would then add to the
size and possible cost. A profile is quite enjoyable, a
little harder to find but really nice. The thing is, because
B is more common, and the originative sets are all in B,
having just 4 keycaps in A while the rest of the board is in
B would make for an out-of-place look. It would work fine
with a 60% board, because the spacebar row would universally
be A profile, but not on TKL or Full-Sized Boards. T
Should A Profile be included at all? Would add to the
size and cost of the set, but would be A Profile! 8-)
Size of the Set
Now..the last
big problem remaining..the size. Cost is very dependent on
size, so while we await a reply from GMK, it’s best to get
together possible sizes of the set. Now, if you haven’t
heard, Ivan succeeded in lowering MOQ from 400 to 250..
which is fantastic. we have yet to confirm if that low 250
MOQ applies to other buyers from Deskthority and Geekhack.
Ivan said he thinks it will, but let’s just wait for a quote
and reply. So, because 250 and 400 are two very different
numbers, I think planning accordingly is smart. If it will
just be 250 MOQ, then it will obviously be a lot easier, and
so more variation in the set will be possible, That’s just
the part of the mind set needed while thinking about what to
change, remove or add to the set.
Alt Gr, and whether
or not to include it. Personally, I don’t think we need it.
I know it goes a lot better for ISO, but all and all and for
the point of matching, I think it will be fine to just have
Alt, and no Alt Gr. factor in including A profile and it all
stacks up to a huge massive set. Here are the possibilities:
-
Maximum Caps, double shifts, yes to all the questions
asked, everything included, will accommodate most, will be
expensive and hard to hit.
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.25 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg -
What I’d Like to do, based on my preferences, will
accommodate less, but will make MOQ easier to hit,
moderate, good price, least amount of ISO love :?
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg -
Largest, will accommodate 2 separate keyboards in either
ISO or ANSI at the same time, will hurt your
wallet’s feelings, and will be most expensive and hardest
to hit.
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.25 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg -
Smallest, No A profile, easiest to hit and most similar in
size to CMYK, also the cheapest
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg -
Final
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg
Schedule & Updates:
1/17/14:
Message Sent to GMK
1/23/14: Quotes received
1/24/14:
Final set chosen and quote requested, finalizing details
with international proxies and paypal
Last Words:
Please, let me know your thoughts and any advice or
interest you have about it. If you think I’m wrong about
something, or should change something, Please tell me. If
you would enter this GB, please post and show it.
All
help is appreciated
Dubs